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  Nov 18, 2009 07:38 PM  
Dexter "Dex"

OK mga friends, ini ang challenge!

Haloy ng pinagdidebatihan ang tungkol sa medical reform, nagadan man si ama ko dahil sa medical malpractice, so naisip ko na siguro kaipuhan tang ikonsiderar ang ibang paagi. Mauurag man ang mga bikolano, matitibay, experienced asintrained sa kanya kanyang mga professions so why not we take a try at this?

After all, we can't do any worse than Congress!

May mga ground rules syempre.

First, be nice. (Marhay na dakol ang magpartisipar).


Next, may mga rules tungkol sa reporma.

#1 gabos na citizens, legal immigrants, asin legal visitors (e.g., tourists) dapat covered.

#2 dapat ma address ang resource issue with solutions.

#3 dapat isaisip man sa pag address na magkakaigwa ning dakulang paglangkaw kan % kan mga gurang (65 and over) sa masunod na 10 taon.

#4 ang public option pwedeng i-suggest – PERO - dapat may sapat na provisions para maiwasan ang pagkawara kang mga private na mga kompanya para ribayan kan public option o total takeover kan gobyerno sa healthcare kaipuhan maipaliwanag na marhay.

#5, kung mayong public option, then dapat ipaliwanag na marhay kung pano ang insurance i-a-address para masiguro ang padagos na coverage kan trabaho.


#6, dapat implementable sa laog nin 24 na bulan.

Ngonyan, iyo ini ang challenge, igwa kita nin paagi asin kaaraman!


MAYONG salang answer o ideas!

MAYONG attacks or nasty comments! Ayos ang disagreements, siguro kaipuhan ngani, pero be nice lang.

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 18, 2009 08:38 PM  
nana noon

Very complicated issue...Dex, are you talking about World Wide or certain country. Kasi every country have different Medical Issue. Like; Japan, China, Germany, Taiwan is different fr. China. America is very different too from these other country. Germany & Japan has better health care than America. I watched this documentary just last week at PBS and it is very informative.

But I will post some important point about health if I can. I think this will be interesting.

doc

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  Nov 18, 2009 09:27 PM  
Dexter "Dex"
Philippine setting lang muna kita, Cho. I look forward to your comprehensive suggestions, pwede ta i-critic an plataporma de gobierno kan mga politicians. Very interesting na maaraman an level of satisfaction kan lambang saro in terms of service and cost of health care system in the Philippines.

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 18, 2009 10:11 PM  
nana noon

Medical Insurance....that is now? If you are employed, they deduct a certain amount from paycheck to cover monthly premium. To cover your medical care as; doctor consultation, medication, hospital stay, and doctors professional fee. I guess if you are insured, you pay either 20% or 80% off the cost. Depends on your coverage.

No Insurance.....If you are unemployed, so you pay everything unless the Govt. pay if we can't afford it and if our Govt. have fund and have that System. But I think you pay for medicine.

I remember the Philippines in the 60's We had a big hospital in Taft Avenue called PGH everything was free except medicine and lab. You can stay for days and you only pay what you can afford. My mother had surgery and we never worried about paying an arm and leg amount. Whatever you have is enough or you can pay by installment basis. That was then...we had some good doctors and nurses who never thought of going abroad because Philippines was nice and clean and not much crime.

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  Nov 18, 2009 11:50 PM  
Junrey
Magandang Hapon po Mr. Dex! Ako po ay may mga observations and comments about the present medical/health care situation in our country na maari natin gamitin na basihan sa pagboo ng reforms at kung hindi man baka kailangan lang mabigyan ng solutions.

Mali po ang ginagawa at direksyon ng mga tao sa gobyerno sa pagtupad nila ng kanilang tungkulin. Tingnan po nating ang DOH, isa pinagkaabalahan ni PGMA at ni Duque at kanilang kaalyado sa kongreso at senado ay yung Cheaper Medicine Bill at ngayon ay Batas na, ipinatutupad na. Totoo po maraming makikinabang sa pagbaba ng presyo ng gamot, pero ang hindi nakikita (o nakikita man nila kaya lang nagbubulagbulagan) ay ang masamang pang matagalang epekto nito sa pag unlad ng buhay ng tao at ng buong bayan. Dapat ang tungkulin ng DOH pangalagahan ang kalusugan ng tao, parang maiwasan at mabawasan kung hindi man mawala ang mga karamdaman ng mga tao na katulad High Blood, Diabetis, Infectious Diseases, Arthritis, Kidney Disease at iba pang mga sakit na nangangailangan ng matagalan gamutan. Maraming positibong approach at programa to help the people. Dapat tingnan nila ang vision na MAS MABUTI (URAGON) ANG TAONG WALANG SAKIT KAYSA TAONG MAY SAKIT NA MAY MABABANG COST NG GAMOT . Kung gusto nila ng short term help sa mga may sakit bakit hindi nila e-subsidize ang halaga ng gamot. Ito ang tama at positibong approach, hindi yong babaan ang presyo ng gamot na an epekto ay ang mga tao hindi magiging consciuos sa kanilang kalusugan at ang isang negatibong epekto ay mamamatay ang mga mahuhusay na companya ng gamot at ang mga de kalidad nilang gamot, at ang mga matitira ang iba sa kanila ay partial o hindi strictong pagpapatupad ng Clinical Studies, Stability Studies, hindi dumaan sa processong ng CGMP, Validation studies parang silay makatipid ng Cost of Goods...

Mr. Dex medyo mahaba na ang sulat ko...marami pa ako gusto sabihin tungkol sa issue....pero sa susunod na lang po ulit...diyos mabalos kaninyo ngamin (sabi namong mga taga Iriga).

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  Nov 19, 2009 01:02 AM  
Dexter "Dex"
Matuod man a point mo Mr. Ambrosio Rey. Kung daing data ang ginigibo kang gobyerno e tano ta dai i-shutdown ang gabos na government programs/agencies sa national asin local levels? Masimot sira!!! Get rid of all these inefficient, costly government programs (e.g. hospital construction, road and bridge construction and repair, school etc). Privatize every function that is currently run by the government. Ang hapot: matino ba ang GABOS na private companies? Affordable asin accessible kaya ang healthcare sa lambang Pilipino (mayaman man o pobre) kong privatized? Pano magiging affordable? Kaipuhan magbayad nin tax an mga pribadong kompanya, right? Sain kukuanon? Sa mga pasyente? Swempre! Dai daw tangihan kang mga private hospitals ang mga pasyenteng mayong pambayad nin hospital bills? May dakulang pang pa sweldo kaya ang may sadiri kan hospital sa mga doctors asin nurses? Kung mayo, ma abroad na lang sinda.. haloy ng nangyayari yan. I know that healthcare is a sensitive subject and can start an argument, but I was just curious baka may solutions kitang mahaman…

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 19, 2009 01:24 AM  
Dexter "Dex"
BTW, I knew a lot of victims of medical malpractice but I never saw a doctor imprisoned due to medical malpractice. If you have, please share.

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 19, 2009 06:12 PM  
nana noon

Dex, kadakol naman na legal issue na mahirap manalo, lalo na if we dont have good lawyer. Ang hindi ko alam if we have a public defender (free counsel)pero hindi natin sigurado kung mananalo. Also siguro mga doctor have malpractice coverage, but if you have a good case and good media coverage I think mananalo.

I think the medical insurance is very reasonable here in the Philippines compare to USA kaya halos half population in USA do not have medical insurance. About medicine if we can afford the best brand name ( why not?) marami diyan na generic pero not good. Also dapat hindi basta basta take the medicine without the FDA approval and also dapat ang doctor have to test blood first to see if the med. will not complicate like: liver, lungs, etc etc..thats why blood test is important.

It take a lot of study or consideration of Health Provider...kasi sometimes our health provider will not be withen the net work of certain doctor or hospital we chose...so before going to a doctor or hospital ask the doctor or hospital if they will take your insurance. example: my Insurance is (Humana) or (Aetna) I dont know if Govt. or private Hospital will take me as their patient...there are a lot more to explore.

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  Nov 19, 2009 07:50 PM  
nana noon

* correction* sa paragraph 3 Health Provider...your family doctor na napili mo, for you and your family.

When you get Health Insurance...your Health Provider must be approved by your Insurance meaning ( withen the network)

You will have a card to always show when getting check up, buying medicine, hospital emergency.

Nakalagay sa card ang mga price na babayaran to doctors visit maybe P50.00, tawag doon ay (co-pay) Pharmacy P50.00 for one prescription (co-pay) Emergency hospital P150.00 (co-pay) kasi no appointment & doctor will see you right away. Lahat ito ay dapat pinag aaralan mabuti kasi minsan ang insurer ay ndi masyado nag eexplain. Coverage for one year-----magbabayad ng premium either monthly maybe P100.00 or quarterly for P300.00 This is to be on time whatever pmt option you select. Pag hindi nabayaran on time ma lalapse.. then cancel ang coverage w/out your knowing ( thats the crises) kaya pag nag kasakit and you thought you are still covered, tapos biglang dadating ang malaking bill...that is the problem. Its good to have med.insurance kasi fix price ang gamot...if no insurance the P50.00 medicine will cost triple or quadruple.

This is only my study...I don't know if it apply to other. mabalosss

About 65 years old and over I believe sagot na ng Govt. ( not sure sa Pinas) maybe cover ng SSS

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  Nov 19, 2009 11:35 PM  
Dexter "Dex"
First of all, it's not "health care," but health insurance. Big difference, Cho. I don’t think that 100% of people who have insurance are happy with it. Can’t even say that 100% of people who have no insurance aren’t happy? What is the government’s plan? I am talking about plan for insurance regulation, not an insurance plan (as a product). Yung totoong health care. Yung tunay na may “care”. Yung plan/bill/law that contain a real, total health care package from Congress/Senate for the every Filipino. The reality is that insurance companies only cares about their wallet, not the people (patient). And BTW, we are still in an economic crisis. Unemployment is still high, and jobs are hard to find.

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 20, 2009 12:06 AM  
josie "josie"
Dex, I don't really expect that people will be happy with their health insurance 100% but at least 80% of those that were polled said that they are content with the health insurance that they currently have. If you are talking about the govt.run option plan that congress had just passed I am one of the majority that oppose it.Being a consumer and a health care professional the govt run health plan will be a disaster for everybody. It affects all of us--- directly and indirectly how we live, how we spend, how we take care of our children. our taxes will continue to increase to support the system. anybody who believe that their taxes will not be affected with the govt. run plan is in la-la land.

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  Nov 20, 2009 12:07 AM  
nana noon
I understand na Dex....Care... the govt...The President should have done something, and the congress/senate. Why don't they? where do they use the money? they should have done something. As a leader it would be an honor to do something good for the peoples livelyhood. I will not amass the money which I cant take with me to grave. The President was beautiful and looking young but now she looks old and small. I saw her in Singapore with the other President and statesman, she looks like a little girl but her face looks old.

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  Nov 20, 2009 01:27 AM  
Dexter "Dex"

Jossie, I don’t care if government or private will run it. Some people have medical insurance, but that doesn't make it fair for those that cannot get coverage or cannot afford it.

If we are going to assign the private or the government to determine "fairness" of a health care program, look at their track record and see if you are satisfied. I suspect people will come to varying conclusions. But is it "fair"? Why or why not...based solely on the concept of "fairness"? Is there also a parallel in "regressive" health care, then, too?

BTW, do you have an idea about who is paying to kill health care reform?

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 20, 2009 02:36 AM  
Dexter "Dex"
As the thread goes I see that we have three choices actually: increased deficits, increased taxes, or no/less reform. Of these three options, which would you prefer to see made into law? (Or in the no reform option, not made into law.) The topic of this thread was to come up with the best plan. And the best plan may well center on one or some combination of those three. Remember, there are no rights or wrongs here so long as the conditions can be delivered.

Those of us who have been discussing reform in GB have all expressed our views with respect to this or that, and that is right and proper. And, as I mentioned, any try we take at this cannot possibly be any worse than Congress.

The difference is - so far as I can see - honesty. We will be honest: good, bad, or somewhere between. These will it seems to me put this discussion into a perspective that we agree upon (that no solution is perfect), even if we disagree on every one of the particulars. I hope Mikey, Carlos, Bio, Noyjim, Pai Caloy, Migz, Rod, Manay Rose, etc. can participate para maugma.

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.....

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  Nov 20, 2009 02:46 PM  
nana noon

The suggestion here .....is to come up with the best plan pala and to see how to made into Law.

What I am emphasizing here now ....is to discuss first the crisis in different form so that we will understand and can see more the light....what is best we can do and bring it to a better solution and suggestion to whoever or to channel? di ba ?

My previous post was about insurance....which is out of this topic now...I am sorry Dex. So I will go on and direct whatever is best to the Phil. Health Care System in Crisis.

Mabaloss!

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