Hong Kong-Philippines relations on edge?

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  • #143140


    r
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    Amen.! Tama po kayo Maam le-bay, nakakatakot na dito sa atin sa Pilipinas. Apektado na ang tourismo, pero huwag kang mag alala sa tungkol sa ugnayan ng China at Pilipinas. Mahal pa rin tayo ng mga Chinese, basta’t tanggap ng tanggap pa rin tayo ng kanilang produkto at ng kanilang mga pautang. Mga produktong kaya naman natin gawin dito sa Pilipinas. Hindi tayo pababayaan niyan hanggan may roon silang napipiga sa atin bayan. Hindi tayo nila tatantanan hangga’t hindi pa  nalulugmok ang ekonomiya ng atin bayan.Nabanggit mo ang mga pulis na puro babae ang inaatupag at pagpapalaki ng tiyan, tutoo po yang, ang katunayan secreto silang todo sumosuporta sa RH bill particular sa Kondom at Kontraseptebs. Umaasinso na ang mga pulis,maybago silang skill, iyan ang pag e-sketch ng mukha ng mga suspek, very effecient sila, ilang oras lang after the krimen may eskets na sila. Ang hindi lang nila matutunan ay ang mabilis na paghuli ng suspek, kung ang complainant ay hindi kilalang tao or walang pera, taon ang bibilangin bago mahuli or foreever hindi na mahuhuli….!

  • #143096


    le-bay
    Participant

    hindi na ako umaasa na babalik pa sa dati ang ganda ng bansa natin…cancer na at stage 4 kumbaga sa sakit,,,kung mag karoon man tayong hindi kurap na presedente mahirap parin sugpuin ang kurapsyon…dahil kahit brgy kagawad marami na sa mga ito ang kurap…pano ba yan matitigil eh..hundred thousands na ang politiko satin..eh dahil nga sa halos lahat kurap na pano masisimulan ang pag sugpo nito?? magsisimula ba sa mga kagawad hanggang sa presidente?? sa mga terorismong nagaganap satin,,pano mapipigilan? pano mahuhuli? tayo kasing pilipino matalino tayo..pero nasobrahan na rin ang talino naten kaya ganito ang nangyayari..saka,,nasunod ba ng mga politiko ang hindi pag bayad sa mga botante? hell noh!!! kaya ano na ba mangyayari satin? sayang ang ganda pa naman ng pilipinas…kaya nga ang daming tourist satin..pero anong nangyari? mas lalo pang sinira ni mendoza ang record ng pinas…samantalang napakalaki ng ugnayan ng china at pinas..ang masasabi ko sa mga pulis ang hihina nila dahil puro babae ang inatupag nila puro pagpapalaki ng tiyan..kahit mga kamag anak ko ay natatakot ng umuwi satin..kahit ako takot na ako lumabas ng NAIA sa tuwing palabas na kmi…ewan ko kung ano ba dapat gawin?? ang gusto ko bumalik na si jesus at mag simula ng manghusga!! pls god come back amen..

  • #141496


    chismis
    Participant

    Madasal tayong lahat guys, sana madali nating maibalik ang reputation ng bansa natin.

  • #141480


    Anonymous

    Imagine a world without FilipinosAbdullah Al-Maghlooth | Al-Watan, [email protected] Al-Maghrabi became handicapped and shut down his flower and giftsshop business in Jeddah after his Filipino workers insisted on leaving and returninghome. He says: “When they left, I felt as if I had lost my arms. I was so sad that I lostmy appetite.”Al-Maghrabi then flew to Manila to look for two other Filipino workers to replace theones who had left. Previously, he had tried workers of different nationalities but theydid not impress him. “There is no comparison between Filipinos and others,” he says.Whenever I see Filipinos working in the Kingdom, I wonder what our life would bewithout them.Saudi Arabia has the largest number of Filipino workers — 1,019,577 — outside thePhilippines. In 2006 alone, the Kingdom recruited more than 223,000 workers fromthe Philippines and their numbers are still increasing. Filipinos not only play animportant and effective role in the Kingdom, they also perform different jobs incountries across the world, including working as sailors. They are known for theirprofessionalism and the quality of their work.Nobody here can think of a life without Filipinos, who make up around 20 percent ofthe world’s seafarers. There are 1.2 million Filipino sailors.So if Filipinos decided one day to stop working or go on strike for any reason, whowould transport oil, food and heavy equipment across the world? We can onlyimagine the disaster that would happen.What makes Filipinos unique is their ability to speak very good English and thetechnical training they receive in the early stages of their education. There areseveral specialized training institutes in the Philippines, including those specializingin engineering and road maintenance. This training background makes them highlycompetent in these vital areas.When speaking about the Philippines, we should not forget Filipino nurses. They aresome 23 percent of the world’s total number of nurses. The Philippines is home toover 190 accredited nursing colleges and institutes, from which some 9,000 nursesgraduate each year. Many of them work abroad in countries such as the US, the UK,Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Singapore.Cathy Ann, a 35-year-old Filipino nurse who has been working in the Kingdom for thelast five years and before that in Singapore, said she does not feel homesick abroadbecause “I am surrounded by my compatriots everywhere.” Ann thinks that earlytraining allows Filipinos to excel in nursing and other vocations. She started learningthis profession at the age of four as her aunt, a nurse, used to take her to hospitaland ask her to watch the work. “She used to kiss me whenever I learned a new thing.At the age of 11, I could do a lot. I began doing things like measuring mygrandfather’s blood pressure and giving my mother her insulin injections,” she said.This type of early education system is lacking in the Kingdom. Many of our childrenreach the university stage without learning anything except boredom.The Philippines, which you can barely see on the map, is a very effective countrythanks to its people. It has the ability to influence the entire world economy.We should pay respect to Filipino workers, not only by employing them but also bylearning from their valuable experiences.We should learn and educate our children on how to operate and maintain ships andoil tankers, as well as planning and nursing and how to achieve perfection in ourwork. This is a must so that we do not become like Muhammad Al-Maghrabi who losthis interest and appetite when Filipino workers left his flower shop.We have to remember that we are very much dependent on the Filipinos around us.We could die a slow death if they chose to leave us.

  • #141457


    Jeric
    Participant

    @ramses: depende ang “HIYA”, it is a two way street. It depends on which side you are coming from.

    Si Joe, Matador, noyjim at iba pa, gari man sana sinda mga DH sa ibang bansa kaya meron silang karapatan magsabi na hindi sila nahihiya, kung yun man ang ibig nilang sabihin.

  • #141454


    Jeric
    Participant

    “Aminado ko sa nabanggit nyang mga katangahan from stupid 1 to stupid 12 pero hindi sa kanyang conclusion. Ang masasabi ko sa kanya (ang sumulat) ay ito: sinasabi nya na ang pinoy ay stupid pero para sa akin mas lalo siya ang stupid kasi nakapagasawa niya ay isang stupid!” by Joe

    Nadale mo nanggad, Joe! Mas stupid yung Dutch na sumulat dahil ang lahi ng napangasawa niya ay STUPID! Dai ko lang mapalampas ini.

    To the Dutch writer:

    I feel sorry for you, Mr. Hollander, you did not use your head in marrying your Filipina wife (with apologies to other Filipinas/foreigner-husbands) but you used your other head just to satisfy your libido. Too bad your children will be subject of ridicule in schools and when they grow up will be like the pair in “Dumb and Dumberer”.

    I wonder if you are a greencard holder and not seeing a Filipino guy with a white-wife. Most of Filipino men are not perverts and do not see a woman as a sex toy that is why we marry our own kind to give love care and devotion till death do us part.

    It doesn’t mean that you are the only one who noticed the “stupidity” in the hostage crisis. I, along with my family were also watching it live on TV. Yet, my family were able to notice and tell right-on-time what you have enumerated as stupidities 1 to 11. I have a smart family, eh? We all do, except you Mr. Hollander.

    To give you an idea, probably the police force and the media men who covered the crisis are descendants of your wife’s stupid family.

    Having been in the Middle East for so many years, Filipinos are regarded as NUMBER WAHID, particularly in Saudi Arabia along with all the idiosyncrasies attached to them.

  • #141428


    r
    Participant

    To mr noyjim, magaling at makatutuhanan po ang sinasabi ng inyong Aug 31 post. I agree 100%.Sa mga nakaraan posts napagusapan din natin ang tungkol sa Hiya. Para sa akin mahalaga pa rin ang tayo ay mahiya. Hindi makakatulong sa pag unlad ng tao o bayan ang pagkakawala ng hiya. Kung tayo ay hindi mahihiya, paano tayo magkakaroon ng initiatives na  ma-e-kokorek at mapapaunlad ang ating buhay at ang ang ating bayan. Kung titingnan natin ang mga na ilahad sa thread na ito, iba ang paniniwala ko:-ang dapat lang na pweding magsabi na hindi siya nahihiya ay ang ating mga DH sa iban bansa. Wala silang maasahan dito sa ating bayan, gusto nilang mabuhay ng maayos ang kanilang pamilya kaya sila ay nasa ibang bansa.-dapat tayong mahiya kung bakit maraming DH pilipino sa ibang bansa, maraming not treated fairly ang humanely, inaabuso ng mga amo. Bakit hindi nating gawan ng paraan na mawala ang DH, sa halip dito sila masagana at masayang manirahan sa ating bayan. Kung hindi tayo mahihiya, siempre ganito na lang tayo, padami ng padami ng DH, padami ng padami ang problema.-dapat tayong maihiya kung napakaraming chinese/hongkong nationals na yumayaman at nag mamayaari ng malalaking business sa ating sariling bayan. Dapat tayo mahiya na pina-patronize nating ang kanilang mga commodities at services na kaya naman nating e-produce at gawin ang mga ito. Hindi tayo nahihiya, kaya ganito tayo ngayon. Contented na lang tayo sa “bakit ako mahihiya bilang isang Pilipino”.-dapat tayo mahiya kung palpak  ang ating kaalaman tungkol sa handling ng hostage drama.. Paano tayo aasenso kung pababayaan na lang natin ito dahil hindi tayo nahihiya.-dapat tayo mahiya kung bakit noong araw ang Pilipinas ay nasa top ranking ng mga bansang Asiano at ngayon ay nasa pinakababa na, second or third to the last.Tayo ay mahiya at gawin ang tamang paraan upang tayo ay umunlad at hindi mahiya.

  • #141422


    :noyjim:
    Participant

    e share ko lang eto na napulot ko sa aking pagsasaliksik sa sulok ng aking laruan.(www.Definitely Filipino.com)

    Filipinos on News Events Part 2: Reaction to Daniel Wagner’s “The Philippine Bus and Miss Universe”

    by e_yang
    My older sister from Malaysia showed me this article at the height of the hostage-taking of Hong Kong tourists by Rolando Mendoza. After reading Daniel Wagner’s “The Philippine Bus and Miss Universe”, I immediately messaged my older sister in YM and talked about it. I totally reacted as I can relate to it because we ourselves have close loved ones who are like the ones described in the articles. I will dwell on that later as I mention the article’s three main points that we Filipinos should think about in order to lift the Philippines from its sufferings it is experiencing now. But first off, you can read the article on: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/the-philippine-bus-and-mi_b_694544.html

    1st point: For many years pundits have commented that the Philippines appears to be heading backwards economically and politically, while many parts of Asia barrel toward middle income status and have maturing democracies.

    The difference here is, many of the countries experiencing political instability and economic dislocation don’t have the things the Philippines has: agricultural self-sufficiency, a high literacy rate, and a largely homogeneous population. One Asian country that possesses these qualities – Indonesia – has managed to transcend monumental political turmoil, turn its situation around, get on the path to democracy, stay there, and become a darling of the international investment community. The Philippines had this in the 1960s. Why can’t it have it now?

    Don’t we agree with this? We have a lot of resources, many (if not all) Filipinos can and have reached college, thus we do have high literacy rate and we do have a high population. But why can’t we get up from the chaos and suffering that we are experiencing now, when Indonesia, which is almost the same as ours have already lifted up from their chaos and is one of the Asian countries that has a good economic growth. Why can’t our country be like that? Thus comes the second point.

    2nd point: When I lived in the Philippines from 2003 to 2007, I was asked, what is the difference between the Philippines and Indonesia? My answer was, “In Indonesia, they have hope.” I came to the conclusion that in spite of all the things the Philippines has going for it, its people didn’t demand enough of themselves, or of their government. Political apathy and a willingness to accept a low common denominator of performance have taken their toll on the psyche of the Philippine people.

    This is a quality that we, Filipinos, lack: we don’t demand of ourselves, meaning we just be content with what we have and use the term “bahala na” when asked about our future. We don’t push ourselves to bring out the real potentials in us and to become better than the usual. And this is one of the reasons why our country is suffering.

    I’ll give one example. When I was still a Program Researcher in one of themajor TV networks, one of our tasks is to find case studies for our stories and most of them we find in Tondo, Manila. In one of my field work there, I was able to talk to one of the residents and suddenly asked her “Bakit hindi nag-aaral ang mga bata dito? Lahat naman kayo may potensyal na baguhin ang sitwasyon niyo, bakit hindi niyo subukan? (Why doesn’t the kids her study? All of you have potentials of changing your situation here, why don’t you try)”. She answered, “Ganon na talaga ang buhay eh. Kahit anong gawin naming di na magababago ang buhay dito (That’s how life is. Whatever we do, the situation here won’t change)”. Then, I have this very close loved one who graduated from a good course and has the skills of going to the top. But instead of working, he just stays at home and does not demand from himself to do better. The same goes with his partner, and the children are having a hard time with this because their parents are not trying to get a job when they both have good educations from tops schools o begin with. Plus, I always hear them say “bahala na”, which is quite irritating.

    No wonder we don’t live up to our potential! We don’t even try and just leave it to “bahala na”. Filipinos are very talented people and we all have the potential in the world to demand ourselves and do our very best in all aspects of life. We need to push ourselves more in order to get our strengths out and help the country in having a better life. We give out excuses to compensate for the mistakes we have done and just leave it at that. Which turns us to the third and final point.

    3rd point: If the Philippines wants to get its act together and live up to its potential, it needs to demand more of itself. It can achieve this by stopping making excuses for its failures and ending its acceptance of the lowest common denominator. President Aquino promised to put an end to nepotism and corruption in government. The people should make sure he does this. When the police screw up a hostage rescue, the people responsible should be fired. And when a beauty queen blows an attempt to become the glory of the Philippine people, it should be recognized as such.

    Most Filipinos are always making excuses to compensate the mistakes we have done. In the hostage-taking, we heard a LOT of excuses from different sectors as to why everything had one wrong. Media blamed the government for not acting immediately, government blamed the media for showing too much information on the hostage-taking, as well as blaming the citizens for being too close to the crime scene. Citizens blamed on the police that they did not handle the situation well—and so on and so forth. Stop making excuses and just admit to yourselves that you all made mistakes. Accept it, and from there, push yourselves to do better in case another situation like this comes. Maria Venus Raj lost the Ms. Universe crown because she was not able to answer the question right. So Filipinos again give excuses as to why and even blamed the judge for giving a difficult question. Another excuse is she was nervous. Everyone gets nervous in any kind of competition!

    The main point is, Filipinos should stop making excuses and admit to our mistakes! Then, learn from these mistakes and get back up to push yourself harder in doing better. If we want our full potentials to come out, then we just don’t sit around and wait. We work for them to come out and use it for good use to contribute to changing our country for the better. Filipinos must demand more from the government to stop corruption as they have promised. Let the events that happened the past week be a lesson for us to change our “bahala na” attitude and strive bring out the best in all of us.

    About the Author
    Erin Joan Yang has written 4 articles on this blog.
    Erin Joan C. Yang is working as a Research Assistant for Dr. Jose V. Abueva, President of Kalayaan College and Director of the KC Institute for a Nonkilling Philippines. She is working on this project now, which advocates for peace and for a nonkilling Philippines free from killings and violence. She is also a freelance writer in a women’s blog and writes articles for various sites. Erin is also a part-time wedding co

  • #141421


    Anonymous

    Vincent Van Gough was a famous painter and aDutchman who long ago and was terribly sad when his friend departed him,so he gave himself something to remember his grief, to mark that hour of hisdarkest day by cutting off one of his ears… I would never do that…because I havenn’t got the nerves to inflict pain on myself….It would make me feel sorry I had done it or bothsad and sore, and a bit strange looking too…. Poor Vincent, may he rest in peace.!..We can only fairlyapportion responsibility for a problem to the actual perpetrator instead of blaming random scapegoats willy-nilly, andby grasping ontoother unsavory contintous issues to bring up bad blood for spitewill only play into the hands of thosepeoplewho reveland jeer….keeping up the rancorousdin ofrattling the swords to no good end…. Time is a great healer,…. and in good time much will blow over,….So we need to stay focussed andhold on fast to our mutual friendships….. There is no gain insmear campagnes that attempt to discredit any particular country oe its peoples…… Just about every country I know of on this blue Planet of ourshaveproblems that are not indemic to any one country alone……I never expect friendship, smiles or amusing banter from strangers, nor aninvitation to your home,no, not favour from anyone, all I require is to be left alone to do my own thing,and let me be at peace with my own company,….Show me no malice and you will become an instant friend. That is why I am so rich in friendships thatI have only ever metaquaintances, some known have been unto me for years, but I see them onlyoccasionallyas the yearsslip by, althoughI do phone them up now and then, I maintain a distance knowing its impractical to be drinking and driving home afterwards, so it never happens.

  • #141420


    ©παςΗ
    Participant

    My reaction to Manoy Rod’s forwarded message via his brother:What’s that, racial discrimination to a Filipina wife? Calling all Filipina women, think twice before marrying a foreigner – value pride and respect over money. Because marriage without love will not work….If we pinoys are stupid or “tanga”, then why would foreign countries hire us with the jobs they cannot do? My brother and sister both have good and high paying jobs in Singapore. I have been invited as well for a work abroad (I was thinking about going to Dubai). Why are we being hired? It’s because we are skilled and talented. And most employers value skills over attitude which can be managed. So I guess this hostage incident won’t hurt us especially to those innocent Filipinos who has nothing to do with this situation. Silang mga bagong bayani ng bansa na nakikipagsapalaran sa ibang bansa para mapaunlad ang mundo. Silang mga pinoy na nagbibigay dangal sa ating bansa (ie: Charice Pempengco, Arnel Pineda, etc.)

  • #141416


    joe
    Participant

    Aray ko po! Pading Rod!Sapul tayong mga Pinoy!
    Aminado ko sa nabanggit nyang mga katangahan from stupid 1 to stupid 12 pero hindisa kanyang conclusion. Ang masasabi ko sa kanya (ang sumulat) ay ito: sinasabi nya na ang pinoy ay stupid pero para sa akin mas lalo siya ang stupid kasi nakapagasawa niya ay isangstupid!
    hehehee1

  • #141366


    juan
    Participant

    Si Sec. Jesse Robredo magayon ang mga ginibo sa Naga. Kumusta man ang achievements ni Cong. Edcel Lagman sa Albay? Pinapa resign tulos si Robredo. Si Ombudsman Merceditas Gutierrez dai nya pinapahali?

  • #141365


    Matador
    Participant

    So far wala pa naman akong narinig na kapwa ko pinoy na nagsabing nahihiya siya dahil isa siyang Pilipino. Kung meron man, hindi siguro dahil sa siya ay lahing kayumangui, kundi dahil sa kapalpakan ng nangyaring rescue operations kung saan may mga buhay na nasayang na hindi naman dapat.

  • #141358


    Anonymous

    I think its a time for all to remain calm and show restraint. Unfortunate isolatedincidents such as this one do crop up from timr to time, andhas in the pastbeen the first wrong step taken due to the assination of theGrand Duke Ferdinand sparking off a long change of events leading upto the outbreakthe WW1. The last thing we need is blaming each other and bring up bad blood between neighbors regardles of Race and color. Chinese Filipinos have lived in the Philippines for centuries and are indeed Filipino citizens. It is not a time to give vent totopple the heads oftall poppies. We all need the rich business boys and they need each other, its all entertwined in the adage,”what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander”. I for one sincerely hope there is no repetedcopy cat crimes will never again show us its ugly head. Blaming the SWAT team members for bungling the rescueoperation was an necessarilyrequired act of deplomacyattempt between countries which were a tad tardy,( but better late than never)-of amelioration and appeasement toward the families of thosepeople who were innocents and lost their lives and also to their fellow nationals and also to their government, who would indeed look terribly uncaringand neglecting their duty inpublic office if they said or did nothing at all, then they too would suffer a direct blow to their public imagebecause of the dastardly act of one individule acting alone, and no matter how we shift the blame around,those that nowhave lost their jobs have young needyfamilies waiting at home depending on dad’sjob, let us not forget that was what drove the main culprit over the edge leading up to the horrible debacle, so there are only more unfortunate victims caught up in this turmoil that do inded deserve to be givenanother chance to be reinstated in their jobs for Heaven’s sake!. Real life is not like the movies and I have no expertise in launching rescue attempts on a bus full of people. Exactly how or whereabouts does one begin to spot a lone gunman if he is crouching down or laying flat on the floor of a bus with all the curtains drawn closed. I thing there gadgets and fancy gismos that can see through concrete, so perhaps the SWAT team have an urgentneed forsuch an apparatus to maintain the upper edge of law enforcement. Coaxing and cajoaling a sick minded person to surrender is a dilemma for those that have to make such decisions as quite often they may lose the element of surprise and the captives lives are alwaysof paramount importance, so the perpetrator may already have chosen ameans to their own demise,sealing their own fate. Lastly I do recall another incident that occured in manila that had its origins in Singapore, where a Filipino housemaid wes on trial for murdering her employers sibling and also for killing another Filipina housemaid. Suddenly there was a surge of sympathy for the person on trial and the Singaporean airlines office sustained damages to its property by an unruly mob running riot withou giving a moducom of sympathy to those innocents who evedently did not die by their own hand, then those pertenant questions must be but forward in a court of law for justice to come aboyt. Does anyone think it should never have been investigated and justice undone in a modern State such as Singapore. Xenophobia can loom out of nowhere just becaus one of your Filipino nationals just happens to flip their lid, then so many others lose the plot just the newspapers and the media can often be the root cause of misconstruing or distortiong events, sometimes people need counselling to the general populace asawhole in an erudite sophisticateddelevery ofspeech to placateall and sundrysimmering passions ofmixed feelings of (revenge, hatred, animosity,pride preduce,other)-by a head of State to keep the hot heads going off like loose connons which only leads everybody astray. A cool head is called for in circumstances where most about youare losing theirs, and a closed mouth catches no flies either!.

  • #141357


    Dan
    Participant

    KOREK ka diyan, sir manny. this is an isolated case and there is nothing to worry about. I heard an old saying, andI seem to believeit.. it runs likethis, “the fault of one is not the fault of everyone.”having say that, Chinese people should stop the ” blaming game.” if there’s someone to be blamed in that tragedy, then there is nothing more than this disgruntled, recently kicked-out ex-police man.
    if this whining ex-policeman, who has recently been dismissed because of drug related issues, believes he has wronfully been dischared from the service, then heexactly knowswhere to go (the court of appeal handles this issue [ I think! ] ). however,hechosea different avenue, which is totally different what he is seeking for.
    so, what’s the verdict?…becausemendoza has killed people (other than filipino nationality, a more severe crime to some degree),I think he deserves to die as well…and, taking a stranger as a hostageand executing them is totally unacceptable behavior in any standard of civilized people.
    On the issue of reprisal by hongkong people to DH workers, don’t worry about it. if they get deported, let’s start deporting chinese as well. if that happens, let’s start from Lucio Tan (because of underpaid PAL employees issue) and see what they have to say. (baad ang sabihon ninda, ” sige, mapondo na kami.” 🙂
    …have a great weekend, everyone!… dios mabalos!

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