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Mikey 17 years, 5 months ago.
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And how do we abuse freedom? Yes, by opposing the government could somehow jeopardize our family’s lives – the prize we paid dearly because of principle! But I wonder how on earth expressing our freedom could put the nation into chaos?
I believe the oppositions or some people are opposing the government is not becausethey have a much better idea than the administration –they disagree with them it’s becausethey or wehave valid reasons to do so.
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I second the motion of Manay Rose…Hehehe
Like what her signature says ALWAYS REMEMBER GOD….and everything will turn out GOOD 🙂
Human Rights and Freedom of Expression – – Is it really bad?……..Compare to what? Because if there is something bad……then there is something in between and all the way to the opposite which is good.
HUMAN RIGHTS: If every single person on this planet earth believes that he or she is created by God (God…the maker of everything… seen and unseen) and that we are all brothers and sisters…there would be no war, no hunger, no religion, no countries, and no government…that also means no politicians. Yeah!!! Bwahahaha…. John Lennon was so right on the money when he composed Imagine…my all time favorite song. If we all believe that every single person on this planet is an image of God (like howMother Theresacommented aboutall of her children….She said that eachchild is Jesus Christ..in all of his disguises)…We will not be so callous and so quick tohurt another human being.
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION: When a person expresses….he or she is trying to communicate something thathe or she thinks will be understood by everyone around them. Otherwise why express it di ba? It’s a form of communication. Kapag natapakan mo ang buntot ng alaga mong aso…hindi ba ang unang reaction nya…ay kagatin ka.O kaya kaholan ka. Another form of expression. When Jesus died on the cross…It’s an expression.When Ghandi went on a hunger strike….it’s an expression. WhenHitler killed millions of Jews…it’s an expression. However, these are all trying to fixa much bigger problem. The expression itself is theeffect and never the cause. We need to find and fix the cause and stopfocusing onthe effect.
I believe the cause of our country being in a dis array is due tothe fact that most of us have a poverty consciousness. Most ofus believes that there is only limited supply of everything. (jobs, money, etc…) So they embezzle, corrupt,or whatever.Because in his or her mind, there is no other way. If a personbelieves that there is not enough job or opportunity inthe Philippinesand they believe that opportunity isin another country…that is what they willget…because that is what they believed. (I am not saying that this thinking is bad) I am merely pointing out that whatever we believe……..we can concieve. If a person believes that we have an abundant supply of something…he or shegets more of it. If a person believes thathe or she has an abundant supply of money…would this person still embezzle or corrupt knowing that he/she has enough?No right! If this person believes that there is enough opportunity in the Philippines…would he still look for it in another country?
IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART AND SOUL THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS GODS CREATION AND YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, WOULD YOU STILL GO TO WAR? EVEN IF ANOTHER PERSON ORDERS YOU?
OR TO PUT IN A MUCH SIMPLIER WAY…IF YOUR BROTHEROR SISTER IS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND YOUR PRESIDENT SAID THAT YOUHAVE TO HATE THEM AND KILL THEM IN THAT COUNTRY…WOULD YOU? -
APPROVE without thinking ako manay rose sa sinabi mo….hehe tama ka tabi na ang gabos may limitasyon maski ang batas kan Dios may limitasyon.
FREEDOM IS FREEDOM but don’t abuse it, don’t use DEMOCRACY as an excuse to your freedom. you are free to use it UNLESS you are not putting other people or your NATION in chaos. You can opposed but be sure you have a better idea than him/her if not better join then and help then with there idea. It not because you’re an opposition you are good, a good opposition ALWAYS come out with best ideas.
HUMAN RIGHTS, for me, human rights are only applicable to human, which can think and using his/her mind conscience. If you go out on the street like a “BUANG AYAM” you are not a human. It’s not because you look like human, you a human. You must ACT and THINK like HUMAN to become one. I think we Filipinos must ACT like human as manay rose said “we are in society govern by rules and norms, not in a jungle where the inhabitants live in a ‘dog-eat-dog’ way of life. Perhaps the right attitude is SELF DISCIPLINE.” -
AnonymousA timely revival of this issue, what is happening to our country, is it the suppression of human rights or freedom of expression? Everyday, or every other day a human life is wasted for this reason.
HUMAN RIGHTS/FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS IT REALLY BAD? But what is really the answer to this question? Is it bad? No per se. Freedom is life. Life without freedom is like a bird without wings. Yes, it is bad when there is abuse for the freedom given, for every freedom and privilege, we have obligation and limitation, as long as we stay on that parameter, there will always be freedom, afterall we are in society govern by rules and norms, not in a jungle where the inhabitants live in a ‘dog-eat-dog’ way of life. Perhaps the right attitude is SELF DISCIPLINE. -
respect for human rights is the way to move forward. freedom of expression is only one of the many rights we are entitled to in a democratic and civilized society. under the present regime of GMA it has been trumpled upon. 40% of the filipinos are in poverty and that’s social injustice and violation of their rights to a dignified, secure and healthy survival. blame it to the government and irresponsible, power hungry politicians, and corrupt bureaucracy. the very basic social services filipinos needs are not given priority.Over 30% of the national budget is earmarked to servicing local and foreign debts since Marcos time to present. The issue here is not only human rights and freedom of expression. we need an overhaul of our social, economic and political system. the present elitist political system, the corruptgovernment, and concentration of the wealth of the country to 10% (or 5%?) of the populationare bringing more sufferings, injustice and violation of human rights.
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Human Rights Freedom of Expression — is it really bad?
These nicely coined words sounds like a fresh breeze on my ear. These legal expressions have been used for centuries and history books are made up of volumes of stories on how wars have been fought just to ensure that this basic human right is honoured and protected. One can only assume that this ideology must be inherently good, but becomes evil when controlled by the wrong people. This is the main reason why governments have been destroyed and restored just by the gathering together of people with a common cause, with the presence of some of them who has personal pursuits and ambition in the guise of good intentions andbroadcasted plans to “help” the “poor”. They speak in front of enraged masses with a promise of a better life for everyone using their ‘secret formula’ to a perfect post-Marcos government. Bless them for because of this basic human right, they were able to convince people that they have every good intention. Forgive them for they know what their doing is evil but they still choose to do it.
Of course people are free to express their views, be it in a quite, nonchalant way or in a more expressive and sometimes violent form of rallies and mass protests.
But honestly, I have no clue as to how the government should run. I was raised with the belief that we can vote for any movie star that we fancy and then just kick them out power after two years when we can no longer stand the idea that the taxes I pay for are just spent on Blue Labels. I never had a good example of an honest leader–from Marcos, who died and rotted in front of the media from Cory, to Estrada, and my shameless uncle. My uncle is the mayor of my town, I really like him as a person. But I was just wondering where in hell did he get the money to build his own posh gasoline station out of two years government salary. I know how much he should be earning. I studied law for four years! For God’s sake, people like him should be dragged to the town plaza where he works and then stoned to death after singing the national anthem. Yes, I’d like to do that to my uncle if it means gaining the people’s trust in the government.
As far as freedom of expression is concerned, here’s my shot. Hope it hits the right people. Hope they die soon. I hope their family will suffer the same fate as what every tax paying citizen is going through now.
Don’t hate me. I’m just exercising my constitutional right to free speech.
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@Pai Mikey
I really don’t know if it was a true story or not…..but he definitely prove his point about fixing the cause and not the effect. As you can see I still have the picture in my mind…even though I heard it more than 15 years ago. -
Padi, is this a real story? I’m just curious about it. Anyway, you were asking my opinion about what is the moral of the story?Well, all can say is… the man was very compassionate for immediately savings those kids but pretty dumb of not realizing quickly why the kids were falling and drowning into the river one by one.
Padi, I’ll reply the other issues once I get time. For the mean time… it’s about time for me to go… I need to go out for lunch… ginutom ako kababasa ng post mo eh! He he he
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@Pai Mikey (hehehe….)
Let me re-explain my dogma….since we are definitely on the same transistor radio….but different wave length or different channel ika nga. 🙂
I think it’s better if I’ll just point out where we differ in opinion or should I say different channel.
But before I do that….let me first commend you for excellent observation….
Let’s me simplify my point, let’s say there are couple of families in remote barrios, where poor is a common denominator and fishing is the main source of income. Expectedly, the fathers will go fishing whenever it’s possible. But since there is nothing else to do after fishing then obviously he will go diving – he will keep diving at the lagoon of his child-factory housewife despite the fact they already had dozens of kids. So, what can we expect about the life ahead of those kids? Do I have to elaborate it? No need I guess. Your guess is good as mine!
Sure, the more the merrier, diba? And the more he dives the less fish he will catch and expectedly the more she will give births! But the less they understand the consequence of feeding dozens of kid and sending them to schools the more they will become poor, right? But anyway, the wife’s enjoyed those dives! So what the heck we cares?
I love this point of view……..and I’m quite sure there’s more where that came from…di ba?Now I think this is where we differ a bit on opinion when you mentioned this.
You were saying its okay for us to work someplace else since we have enough people to be exported naman eh. What can say? All I can I say, the purpose of working abroad is because the jobs available locally are limited while the job-seekers are higher. Sure, we boost the economy with our remittance$ but for how long are we going to work outside our country?
Once again you are attacking the effect and not the cause of the problem. Naalala ko tuloy ang storya ni Anthony Robbins about cause and effect. I will try my best to illustrate since I’ve heard this over 15 years ago.
There was this man walking by the river and suddenly he heard someone’s yelling help….He looked around and saw that there was this kid drowning….so, in a snap he jump in to save this kids life. But, as soon as he got him to safety a few minutes later there is another kid drowning. So, again he swam to save this other kid. As soon as he got him to safety again, another kid needs saving. This went on several times and he will probably end up drowning because if he had only stop and take a look at what is the cause….he would have noticed that 15 feet away there was this lady throwing these kids in the river. So, you ask what is the moral of the story? Find out and deal with the cause first, so that you can stop trying to fix the effect or the result.
I am not saying that it’s right or wrong for us to work outside our country….however what I’m saying is we cannot blame them (our country men or the government) if some of them decided to work outside our country.
I was merely pointing out that having a population explosion is not the main cause of our economic down turn.
It is their decision to work or not to work outside our country and nobody else. If every single one of us, Filipino, believes that he or she is responsible for their own success or failures in life, our thinking to what is happening will be a lot different. It would be like day or night.This leads me to this problem that you wanted me to elaborate on.
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I don’t think that population and corruption is the main culprit why the Philippine economy is sinking.
First let’s explore the population explosion………..The reason I don’t believe that’s one of the main reason is the example of China, which you also had given as an example. I believe population is not a hindrance to our economy……because of our population…..we have OFW. They help our economy tremendously.If there is not enough filipino we won’t have to send anyone or anybody outside our country. diba? By Pading Wawoy,
Pading Wawoy,
Let me be more specific about my explanation with my interpretation with our exploration population explosion’s arguments. As what I know China was alarmed with their growing population and eventually had taken extreme measure to curb it with “one-child” policy. Having said that, I believe there was a basis about the point I stated earlier. Look, our country is pretty small compare with China and I guess the next generation will face tremendous difficulty if the government will not take similar measure now. Alright, population is not the main reason but apparently it’s one of the causes.
Let’s me simplify my point, let’s say there are couple of families in remote barrios, where poor is a common denominator and fishing is the main source of income. Expectedly, the fathers will go fishing whenever it’s possible. But since there is nothing else to do after fishing then obviously he will go diving – he will keep diving at the lagoon of his child-factory housewife despite the fact they already had dozens of kids. So, what can we expect about the life ahead of those kids? Do I have to elaborate it? No need I guess. Your guess is good as mine!Sure, the more the merrier, diba? And the more he dives the less fish he will catch and expectedly the more she will give births! But the less they understand the consequence of feeding dozens of kid and sending them to schools the more they will become poor, right? But anyway, the wife’s enjoyed those dives! So what the heck we cares?
I’m not sure if you’re going to agree with me but as far as we know there’s no place like home, diba? So meaning, if we have less population and no jobs shortage it’s unlikely for us to go someplace else to work. Look, some of us had limited option and by working abroad is only the viable opportunity for us to supports our families. Yup, for some, it’s the only way to survive while others just want to give their family a little more of money can buy.
You were saying its okay for us to work someplace else since we have enough people to be exported naman eh. What can say? All I can I say, the purpose of working abroad is because the jobs available locally are limited while the job-seekers are higher. Sure, we boost the economy with our remittance$ but for how long are we going to work outside our country?
Someone here started a thread about “Mapungawon” in which the author emphasizes the sadness of being away from relatives or home. Ironically, our sisters, mothers and former teachers have to shift profession only to become domestic-engineers in foreign land and worst gets abused. But the abused didn’t end there as we even gets insulted by the stupid Modern Greek dictionary when they included the term “Filipina” as the derogatory meaning of our exported domestic-helpers worldwide. Sad but true!
Second the corruption which you have pointed out……….Again, the reason I don’t believe that’s one of the main reason is because corruption is a result or theeffect of a much bigger problem of our countrymen or even other countries. Andthat is notliving in the present moment…or in the NOW.
We think that our problems are caused by our current situation inlife but in fact it’s our attachment to the past and the future that causes these problems.By Pading Wawoy.
I may not have a fraction of Alan Greenspan exceptional skills and yet I strongly believe massive-corruption is one of the real causes of our deteriorating economy. If we have to believe with our history then it’s now embarrassing to put our economy side by side with our neighboring countries. But regardless if history presented us with facts, I know you won’t agree with my hard-nosed assessment. As a matter of fact, you even said that corruption is the result or effect of a much bigger problem which is not “living in the present moment”. What exactly do you mean by that? If you don’t mind, could you be more specific about this bigger-problem notion?I believe whatever we do; our present will always be connected to our past and will always be the relative of our futures — in other words, the three of them works together! Ika na ngani ang nagsabi na “our mind can only” make a decision based on our past experience, diba? And our decisions always refer to the future. So, meaning we can’t just ignore our attachment to our past, right? Ika nga, sweet memories are always enjoyable to reminisces, isn’t it? How could I forget my innocent kids-life in Bicol?
Ergo and with all due respect to all of you, human rights are not the reason why our economy is sinking. The reason is us, because we let them. The reason is we keep on waiting for the government to do things for us. The reason is we keep on electing unqualified and corrupt politicians and pinning our hopes to them. The reason is we don’t have discipline and we refuse to be disciplined. By Manoy Ted
Manoy Ted,No doubt about it – we, the citizens must share the blames! However, I still do believe that our politicians had to absorb the greater part of it – after all they always get the biggest share of the pie.
The truth is… there is no way on earth for the country to move forward without people doing their share. But to make it feasible, our leaders must implement total reforms in the government. Ideally, our bloody election laws must be revised to avoid incompetent personalities to seek government positions. And then our politician must truly become a public-servant once elected. Their interest should be focus more on giving their best rather than getting the best of it. If the politicians could impress the citizens with their dedication to their duty then I’m sure ordinary people like us will return the favor by a doing our obligation as a law-abiding-citizen. What I’m saying, initiatives must come from our political leaders – they must set an example for
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MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine stocks rose to their highest level in nearly seven years Tuesday, lifted by upbeat earnings reports and an improving fiscal outlook for the government.
“It’s a market breakout. We should see sustained buying due to the market’s strong finish,” said First Grade Holdings managing director Astro del Castillo.
The benchmark 30-company Philippine Stock Exchange Index rose 22.40 points, or 1 percent, to 2,185.71, its best close since Aug. 30, 1999. The index has gained 3.1 percent since last Wednesday.
Stronger revenue collection in February allowed the Philippines to keep the budget deficit below the target ceiling despite overspending, the government reported last week.
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Among the most actively traded stocks, Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co. rose 1.9 percent to 1,865 pesos, in step with a 1.5 percent gain in the company’s American Depositary Receipts in New York Monday.
Petron rose 1.1 percent to 4.60 pesos after the country’s largest oil refiner in capacity and assets said Monday it’s annual net profit rose 77 percent, in line with analysts’ forecasts.
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Pai Wawoy, mikey, banita – bwahahaha, mga kapai talaga kamo!
Paw – mabalos tabi for sharing the same opinion as mine, specifically with regard to the “urag” of pinoy!
Mabalos tabi saindo for your being open minded. Na touch man sana kaya ako kan thread na pinunan ni pakner mikey, hehehe. Besides namundu-on talaga ako kan guinibo ni Sol. Gen. Nachura. Personally, Pound for pound, mas maurag talaga si dating Sol. Gen. Benipayo. Mabooton, may prinsipyo asin dae nagpapadara sa pressure. He is not a bicolano for nothing!!! Sol. Gen. Benipayo, bow tabi ako saimo. I hope too that all the members of GB will agree with me. Saro tabi si dating Sol. Gen. Benipayo na dapat makuanan nin pix and post digdi as one of the best bicolanos, along with the others posted. SOS sana tabi, dae daw ako nakakau-a nin pix ni Justice Harriet Demetrio for posting. -
@Tol Bugs
Palagay ko dae nyo na kaipohan ang tuwang ko…….you guys are doing great! Pinapahanga nyo nga ako eh..
@Pai Ted
Bravo! Bravo!……I can’t say it any better that. Clear and precise. Kailan ba natin tototohanin ang pagiging political figure mo? Sige na….malaking tulong ka talaga sa mga constituents mo. That I know I can gaurantee. Just let me know and I’m willing to help you morally, spiritually, and financially. In one word I am your ally.
@Pai Mikey
Nice thread you started…………….I know nagpasiring kalang tungkol sa Human Rights and Freedom of Expression pero ang gusto mo talagang itanong kong papaano natin mapapaunlad ang mahal nating bayan diba?
Idadagdag ko lang ito sa mga sinabi ni Pai Ted na puro tama.
I don’t think that population and corruption is the main culprit why the Philippine economy is sinking.
First let’s explore the population explosion………..The reason I don’t believe that’s one of the main reason is the example of China, which you also had given as an example. I believe population is not a hindrance to our economy……because of our population…..we have OFW. They help our economy tremendously. If there is not enough filipino we won’t have to send anyone or anybody outside our country. diba?
Second the corruption which you have pointed out……….Again, the reason I don’t believe that’s one of the main reason is because corruption is a result or theeffect of a much bigger problem of our countrymen or even other countries. Andthat is notliving in the present moment…or in the NOW.
We think that our problems are caused by our current situation inlife but in fact it’s our attachment to the past and the future that causes these problems. Most people are willing to ransom their present moment for some future outcome. Ideology such as communism, socialism, as well as most religious beliefs systems……Operatesfrom the assumption that the highest good for all…..lies in the future.The end is always the idea in the mind….projected in the future in whatever form it makes….true happiness, fullfillment, equality, liberation, salvation will be attain in the future. Now to me this is insane. This type of thinking has been used to justify lying (I emphasized for GMA),enslavement, torture, and themurder of people in the presentin order to create a better future. For example 50 million people are murdered in Russia and China so that the future benefits of communism will bring about a better world…this is a chilling example of how a belief in the future can create a present hell.
Everything happens NOW…..when you think about it, when do you remember your past? You remember it now. When do youdream of your future? Youdream of it now. When do you learn from your past? You learn from it now. There is nothing that you can do in any other moment excempt now. If you don’t believe me…try doing something yesterday and tomorrow right now. 🙂 So the past and the future is always borrowed from the now. So our point of power is Now. It is the only point where you can exercise your full power. We create everything right now. What you are thinking, feeling, and doing in the present moment is creating your future. If we ask for help from God in the present moment but we are stuck in the past (like whenwe couldn’t forgive someone because of what he/shes done to us in the past) we can’t hear the answer or get the help that we want…..because we arestill stuck inthe past.
You may think….I am very off on the subject. However, if you analyze or even apply this into your life right now…..and focus only on the things that makes you happy or feel good at the present moment…..the law of attraction will give you more of what you are vibrating at the present moment. Again, my universal law which I will constantly bring about…..until someone or somebody can prove to me otherwise. -
Tama ka man nanggad Manoy Ted, ta digdi ngani sa trabaho mi pinonan sana ki sarong pinoy na trabahador, ngoniaan gabos na pinoy an pighire ta nahiling kan amo na maski ba yaan pagbalik nya may production. bako arog kan ibang nacion na pigakwenta an sweldo per hora.
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manoy ted pasubli tabi kaini….
Ergo and with all due respect to all of you, human rights are not the reason why our economy is sinking. The reason is us, because we let them. The reason is we keep on waiting for the government to do things for us. The reason is we keep on electing unqualified and corrupt politicians and pinning our hopes to them. The reason is we don’t have discipline and we refuse to be disciplined.
nuarin ko daw ini mahiling sa pilipinas,…hmmm sana sa paguli utro pigpupuonan na ini…tol wawoy tabangi daw tabi kami…hehe
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